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[โ€“] Safeguard@beehaw.org 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Sure, but ties with Russia is not BS and not a "broke discourse", there definitely is something there. And we need more discourse about it.

[โ€“] Mopswasser@feddit.de -2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

You said it was a "proven fact" that Putin controls PVV.

[โ€“] Safeguard@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It IS! But for some people it's too much to allow that into their minds. So I try a different tactic: a little slower, so you can also get onboard with this.

[โ€“] Mopswasser@feddit.de -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What's known is that certain members of the PVV have dealings with an intransparent Russian agency. How you come from this to

Its a proven fact that Putin is in control of this party.

is beyond my comprehension.

[โ€“] Safeguard@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago

Ok, listen can we at least agree that PVV is not "clean" when it comes to Putin? And that they are very much anti "helping Ukraine" ?