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I see questions like "why hasn't Trump gotten CIA'd if he's ruining the American Empire?" I think the capitalist factions in power have their reasons to back this tariff terrorism.

Are Trump, Vance, and Musk actually morons who believe the American propaganda? Of course, but the real oligarchs who back their regime aren't real morons. Everyone in power since Obama has seen the writing on the wall: that China is the rising power and the American Empire is on the decline. The Obama faction decided to "Pivot to Asia" to slow this decline. Use military power and the Trans Pacific Partnership to isolate China as best as they could, hold onto whatever power they have in the region at all costs.

Trump in his first time, and later Biden, continued this logic but with emphasis on Europe. Trump in 2017 wanted to keep NATO in line and Biden used Ukraine and CHIPS to deepen EU reliance on American oil. Again, the overall strategy is "hold onto what we have to stave off American loss of international power."

But now it's clear that the US does not have control over traditional allies. Pissrael does as it pleases, Russia hasn't been brought to heel, and the EU wants to move closer to China. What is a US imperialist to do, more of the same?

Along comes Trump's return. The financial class that really runs this country hasn't stopped his trade wars, hasn't stopped his dismantling of soft power like USAID, hasn't disciplined him with a capital strike/flight. This means to me, they are willing to go in on the strategy. Trump is pressing the economic nuke, he's crashing the global economy and betting that the US will get hurt less than the rest of the world. And then maybe, EU and China will get hurt enough that the US can take big enough bites of their meals to survive.

In our reading group on Super Imperialism, we read about how US dollar hegemony is based on the recycling of dollars through US Treasury bonds. Essentially, the US is a net importer and runs a high deficit. As the US buys from advanced economies like China, EU, and Japan those nations build up a surplus of US dollars. Those countries don't want to spend USD on goods, because putting those dollars back into the material economy would lower the comparative value of USD. That would mean the RMB, Euros, and yen would have a harder time competing against American goods. These countries NEED the US (and other countries) to buy their goods and so they need USD to be stable. So they purchase US Treasury bonds, which gives them a productive investment without hurting the dollar. The US benefits immensely from this which is exactly what Obama-ites want to protect. It also means advanced economies are literally invested in the US economy as a major store of value.

However, this relationship probably can't last forever. So Trump and cronies are pulling the biggest card they have, the card nobody expected them to play. The world runs on American dollars so they're pulling the rug out. They're betting that the PRC and EU will be so hurt by a trade war that they'll either crash and burn or come to the table to beg for relief. Sure China is the world's factory, but the CPC has shown its main goal is stability for the Chinese people so it's a logical assumption they'll compromise rather than crash. The EU, Canada, and Mexico will surely hurt which will open up their industries for US banks to buy in at a bargain.

The logic is, if the system is gonna fall apart then the US should break it on its own terms rather than let the gradual decline happen. Will the bet pan out for US oligarchs? I really have no idea.

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[–] jack@hexbear.net 91 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (7 children)

Of course, but the real oligarchs who back their regime aren't real morons.

lenin-sure

These are the people who thought they would defeat China by investing in it - or worse, their children. The Dulles brothers are long gone.

The financial class that really runs this country hasn't stopped his trade wars, hasn't stopped his dismantling of soft power like USAID, hasn't disciplined him with a capital strike/flight. This means to me, they are willing to go in on the strategy.

What mechanism would they use to stop him if they wanted to? Where does their cabal meet and who takes their secret orders?

We need to get away from this idealist conspiratorial thinking. The capitalist class is fractious and divided, and the power of the capitalist state, including its elected officials, is very real. It's shocking to see a bunch of Marxists all talking to each other about the secret hidden forces pulling the strings from the shadows in order to justify doomerism. How many times in history have we seen myopic, inbred, hubristic ruling classes bring about the destruction of their own power? I'll answer: every single time an empire fell.

Exactly as any Marxist-Leninist could tell you, divisions in ruling classes are inevitable as personal ambition and ideology begin to fester in calcified strictures. The further temporally removed from the foundations of those structures, the less the ruling class understands how they truly operate without some internal correction mechanism (like a Marxist party). The short-term self interest that is the engine of capitalist development and innovation abhors nurturing and developing systems like that.

I mean, just apply your mode of thinking to the billion other ways capitalism consumes itself and it become clear there's no one directing the ship besides the idiot who seized the wheel in the last election. Why hasn't the financial capitalist class withdrawn from China, even though investment there has been building its own destroyer? Why haven't they addressed climate change, which will obliterate the material basis of the economic system and crumble their power structures? Why don't they build cheap, efficient livable cities instead of costly, crumbling car-dependent suburbs? Over and over, the capitalist class consistently turns away from the obviously correct long term decision for their own survival and profits because some dipshit from Texas can make a quick buck. We have seen them destroy their own support systems, put in place by their predecessors, because they were too ignorant to understand they actually depend on those things.

Capitalism is defined by the internal contradictions it is unable to resolve. It's not capable, as a system, of solving the problems it creates. It can only find a new way to profit off of them, and it's always less profit for a shorter time. Always! That is why the tendency of the rate of profit to fall is Marx's most important contribution.

What capitalism produces above all else are its own gravediggers. We have known this would happen for two hundred years. It has happened before and it will happen again.

it-is-happening-again

[–] BeamBrain@hexbear.net 40 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Where does their cabal meet and who takes their secret orders?

parenti-hands "Those who suffer from conspiracy phobia are fond of saying: 'Do you actually think there’s a group of people sitting around in a room plotting things?' For some reason that image is assumed to be so patently absurd as to invite only disclaimers. But where else would people of power get together – on park benches or carousels? Indeed, they meet in rooms: corporate boardrooms, Pentagon command rooms, at the Bohemian Grove, in the choice dining rooms at the best restaurants, resorts, hotels, and estates, in the many conference rooms at the White House, the NSA, the CIA, or wherever. And, yes, they consciously plot – though they call it 'planning' and 'strategizing' – and they do so in great secrecy, often resisting all efforts at public disclosure. No one confabulates and plans more than political and corporate elites and their hired specialists. To make the world safe for those who own it, politically active elements of the owning class have created a national security state that expends billions of dollars and enlists the efforts of vast numbers of people."

[–] GoodGuyWithACat@hexbear.net 27 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Parenti always relevant.

They do it open too lol. Davos is literally for economic coordination.

[–] jack@hexbear.net 14 points 1 day ago

They do it open too

Yeah that's my point. You see what they do and why because they tell you.

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