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[–] bobr@lemmy.libertarianfellowship.org 11 points 14 hours ago (48 children)

I don't know a single other modern "country" (that is considered "good" and "democratic" by westerners) that people don't want to defend so much that the regime needs to resort to forbidding people from leaving (and then put a huge effort into patrolling the borders because people want to escape this hell anyway) and literally kidnapping people off the streets and putting them into vans by masked ""people"" on daily basis just to sustain the meatgrinder.

The only thing that comes close are British press gangs - but that was 2 centuries ago.

And if there are some recent examples like this - I would absolutely support hanging the tyrants who do this, just like I hope Zelensky would be hanged one day.

[–] arrow74@lemm.ee -3 points 9 hours ago (4 children)

Considering Ukraine is the only modern/western democracy to have been invaded for territorial conquest in about 80 years demonstrates the level of bullshit that you're spouting.

[–] bobr@lemmy.libertarianfellowship.org 2 points 9 hours ago (3 children)

It's being liberated, not invaded.

[–] arrow74@lemm.ee -2 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Dismissing a state's right to sovereignty is the most anti-democratic thing I can think of.

[–] bobr@lemmy.libertarianfellowship.org 2 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Well, I personally stopped caring about a [western definition of] democracy when I learned that closing borders and not letting people out, kidnapping people off the streets, beating them, holding in basements for days and then sending them to the meatgrinder is actually entirely democratic while elections, forming political parties, etc. apparently is not.

Dictatorships are not as scary as western "democracy".

[–] MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 0 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

Literally no-one is claiming any of that shit is democratic.

Stop confusing wartime martial law with democracy. It makes you look like an idiot, when clearly you have far more developed ideas to discuss. It completely ruins any actual argument you might make for what is right and wrong.

Such as this article you commented on, demobilising someone who should never have been mobilised is a no-brainer, and it is fucked as hell that it isn't happening.

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