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John 3:18
So I guess it's not "follow the rules or you go to hell," it's "believe in Jesus or go to Hell." In other words, the vast majority of humans who have ever lived are in Hell according to the Bible.
Perhaps, but what does that matter? Is that a good enough reason to want to join them?
Seems like it was a good enough reason for Christians to spend the last 2000 years murdering non-believers.
So because people have murdered for thousands of years we should just continue murdering people, is that what you're saying?
Nope, I'm saying Christians have had no problem murdering unbelievers for the last 2000 years, so maybe Christianity isn't as great as you make it out to be.
People have killed their babies by putting them in microwave ovens. Perhaps microwave ovens aren't as great as they are made out to be.
No one has done that. That's an urban myth. What a terrible attempt at justifying the horrors that Christianity has wrought upon the world.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_P._Arnold
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Oh, pardon me. ONE person. That definitely makes up for the Crusades, the Inquisition, the Pogroms, etc.
If one person can do it, so can you. Unless you prefer to stay mad about the past forever because that isn't going to change.
Sure, one or two people putting their baby in the microwave is the same as Christians killing and torturing countless Jews and Muslims for not being Christian. Totally justifiable comparison.
I'm not surprised a Christian like you would try to excuse all the murder that way though.
The point was that anything, no matter how innocent or lifesaving, can be used for murder if you really want.
But I get it, you want to stay mad about the past.
The past?
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-65034343
Christians in Africa are oppressing LGBT+ people today.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-67454386
Christians in Russia too.
Now it's time for you to claim they aren't True Christians rather than admit any culpability for your religion.
Okay but they're not murdering them, are they?
As far as Christianity is concerned, gay people are living in sin. And as long as they are not repenting or seeking help with their condition, they cannot be saved.
Are you fucking kidding me?
Are you actually defending them putting LGBT+ people in prison for life because they're not murdering them?
What the ever-loving fuck? Are you that much of a bigot?
Lots of gay sex happening in prisons, should be right up their alley, no?
Wow.
I mean come on, at some point you gotta look at this whole thing reasonably. Where has all the LGBT acceptance in the West gotten us? There's gay people in the White House, transgenders in the military, pride parades in every major city, and yet somehow we're still arguing about whether gay people are oppressed because some states won't allow them to teach children about anal sex.
At some point you have to ask the question whether gay people are living in a state of feeling permanently oppressed not because of what Christians will or will not allow them to do, but as a result of their sinful lifestyle?
FWIW, I'm not sure that putting them in prison is the right way to deal with the problem, but from a Christian perspective, there isn't much anyone can do about it as long as they insist that being gay isn't the problem, lack of tolerance is.
This whole comment is a load of bigoted crap.
People being able to live their lives the way they want to without bothering anyone?
You're making shit up. Mad anal sex is not restricted to homosexuals you prude 😏
Sinful to you because you believe in your imaginary friend in the sky.
Like your entire comment and when I dive deeper it's everywhere in your comment history too
Apparently it IS bothering people enough that they're willing to go through the trouble to make laws about it.
Doesn't mean it's appropriate to teach children about it.
You're just making things up about teaching about anal sex and crossdressing in school.
Yes. We get it. You're a bigot who thinks it's okay to imprison gay people for life. You don't need to keep telling us.
From a Christian perspective, they are imprisoning and oppressing themselves because they don't want to give up their sinful lifestyle yet want to have the same benefits as those who do. You want to have your cake and eat it, too.
Why is it so difficult to understand that normal people don't want to constantly be bothered or have to deal with gay people insisting they be allowed to do gay stuff around their kids?
From a decent person perspective, you're still being a bigot.
You can call me whatever you want but if being decent means allowing children to be taught about crossdressing and anal sex then I'd rather be a bigot.
Lying doesn't make you less of a bigot.
What did I lie about?
I'm not playing your game, sorry.
Okay. Then don't expect me to play yours.
Yeah, that does make you a bigot. Just because the christian status quo wants to uphold strict gender roles and outdated puritan values doesn't make those beliefs any less hateful. As a self proclaimed bigot, please tell me what do you think is so sinful about anal sex or cross dressing? And do you really think enslaving people because of those things is somehow less sinful? If that's what your god calls justice I really don't think we should take their hateful judgment seriously.
I'm sure I'm not telling you anything you haven't heard before, but from a Biblical perspective sex is for procreation and gender roles reflect the natural hierarchy of God.
Also, it's not slavery to give people incentives to do what's right in the long run instead of what feels good in the moment. We also have laws against killing and stealing even though the vast majority of people recognizes that it's wrong and would never do it. Or would you say that you feel enslaved by the existence of such laws?