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do the right wing guys think it's like a draco malfoy thing where they're a good guy underneath?

like when it's like a lady and a cop and the lady seems like a normal sorta boring suburban lady

do you know what i mean. this is one of the things where if you try to ask an AI bot it yells at you

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[–] darq@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

“This is such utter nonsense” So you don’t think that people choose to be wasteful?

That's not what I said. Read again.

And guess what, laws do not pass if people do not already engage in personal habits that the laws encourage.

Of course they do. Behaviour can follow legislation. Furthermore most of the legislation would need to target corporations, not individuals. In which case behaviour definitely follows legislation.

No, they both have consequences. I’m pointing out that the distinction being made that somehow political views have special considerations over all the other personal actions is worthless. (Remember what the actual topic was?)

Because one primarily affects the person making the decision, with smaller secondary effects on other people. And the other primarily affects other people, doing significantly more harm.

People being overweight does not affect you nearly as much as people voting to ban gay marriage or trans healthcare affects LGBT+ people.

It is. Here’s the hard facts,

Oh please.

overweight people are less happy,

Which is none of your business.

they have worse socialisation,

You are deeply unpleasant yourself, take the log out of your own eye.

they are unattractive ( which as much as people want to pretend like attractiveness doesn’t matter, it absolutely does when it comes to casual interaction),

Nobody owes you attractiveness you little freak.

they have shorter, less productive lives,

None of your business, how other people spend their lives.

they increase health care costs.

Old people increase healthcare costs. If unhealthy people die earlier as you say, then they probably save the system money.

All of these effect society as a whole and the individual.

Not even remotely to the degree that political action does. Voting outweighs all of that by many orders of magnitude.

I have no idea what you are talking about, I never downplayed any laws, you’re just fabricating that so you can justify your whining.

It's called an "example" sweetheart.

Progressives aren't ending relationships based on political stances around taxes. They're ending relationships because of bigotry against marginalised groups.

[–] jasory@programming.dev 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

"Further most of the regulations need to target corporations"

Guess what is also a way of targeting corporations? Market forces. If people aren't buying your products/services, do you keep selling those products? The reason why boycotts generally fail is because people are spineless, not because the actual action wouldn't cripple a business.

You so desperately want to prove the point that the only personal choice that matters is voting, that you are willing to deny reality.

"Then they probably save money"

Probably? Is that the strongest statement you can make? People who die younger don't have lower healthcare costs (unless it's an accident or homicide), because they are sicker throughout their end of life.

"Doesn't effect you as much as people wanting to ban gay marriage"

Pretty, sure that more of my taxes go towards paying for emphysema treatment than are effected by the tiny amount of same-sex married couples (which incur costs how?).

"None of your business how other people spend there lives"

It's everybody's business. If this was true, then things like tobacco restrictions wouldn't matter because healthcare costs are nobody's business.

What happened to the good old socialists that recognised that if society has a responsibility to support you, you conversely have a responsibility to not be an unnecessary burden? Nowadays we just have libertarian-poisoned socialists who think that nothing you do matters.

"Nobody owes you attractiveness" They owe themselves attractiveness. It is an objective fact that obese people suffer socially, and that translates to societal problems.

"Not even to the degree as voting"

How many companies do you think have dedicated blocks of consumers amounting to 50 million people? A boycott of 50 million people would destroy most companies (if they even have that many customers). You are confusing the fact that most people don't engage in personal action (because they are just like you), with asserting that personal action does nothing. The reason why political action works is simply because people do it in coordinated groups.

"Progressives are ending relationships based on taxes ..."

Motte and Bailey argumentation. The topic was whether or not it is appropriate to end relationships solely on voting (but not personal habits), you explicitly argued that it was (because only voting actually matters) and are now narrowing it down to only "bigotry against marginalised groups". When that was never the topic.

"You are deeply unpleasant yourself" Are you sure about that? Would you prefer a dishonest liar, who said "Oh my gawd. So true, sweetie." to every nonsensical claim you made? (Obviously, yes you would, because posters like you are accustomed to sycophantic behaviour).