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I've often assumed Harris didn't want to insult her boss by going against him, because I got the impression she was planning to give Netanyahu what for once she took over - especially with him escalating things further and further. Did anyone else get that vibe, or was it just wishful thinking on my part?

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[–] phoneymouse@lemmy.world 38 points 1 week ago (8 children)

Have people been keeping up on the news? Like privately Biden has been feuding with Netanyahu for months. It’s not like Biden is on board with what Netanyahu is doing. He’s been trying to change the course, but publicly attacking Netanyahu would have drawn a ton of fire from the right, which he was trying to avoid during the election season. It shocks me that people really think Biden is cheering this on.

[–] anas@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago

Election season is over, why is he not going public?

[–] echolalia@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 week ago

So let me get this straight: I'm supposed to vote for someone who thinks it is too politically inconvenient to be publically against an ongoing genocide? Who is sending arms and aid to a nation committing genocide??

There were snipers on the roof of my college because of the pro Palestinian protesters. Pro Palestinian protesters get lumped in with antisemites due to just having human empathy. The voters needed something more than what we saw in the news: furrowed brows, hand wringing, and money sent for bombs. Palestinians die wretched deaths even if you feel real bad about it.

I can imagine the energy that we all could have felt if Harris/Biden had actually did the right thing.

I voted for Harris by the way. Not because I expected she'd end the genocide, but because Trump isn't a statesman and can't be trusted if we get dragged into war.

[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 week ago

He’s been trying to change the course, but publicly attacking Netanyahu would have drawn a ton of fire from the right,

Thank goodness they avoided pissing off the right, else Trump might have won.

[–] nova_ad_vitum@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

It shocks me that people really think Biden is cheering this on.

Probably because Biden's support of Israel is completely unconditional and not contingent in any way on their conduct. Yeah he may disapprove of their conduct, but this won't affect material American support at all - that would be antisimetic or whatever. Because of this Biden's tacit disapproval doesn't matter. It can be ignored which is what Netanyahu has been doing. Stop sending arms and Israel's government's dreams of conquest will collapse within a week, probably along with this government. But that's unspeakable, apparently, and the Israeli lobby in the US needs to keep it that way.

Now a government is about to take power that won't offer any disapproval and could probably be talked into direct military action in the region. I wouldn't be surprised if we see American aircraft bombing Gaza and the West Bank within 6 months. Embroiling the US even deeper into this is in Netanyahu's interest and the trump government won't mind going along .

People will believe what is convenient for them to believe.

[–] peppers_ghost@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Who is the fucking superpower here? The US could flex it's muscles and Israel would have to obey. Biden actively chooses not to.

[–] Shardikprime@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

Yeah because last time that went oh so well

[–] FinnFooted@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

We don't even have to think the dems are morally better overall and above supporting genocide. They just don't want a full on war with Iran and increased tensions with Saudi Arabia and for this reason would harden on Israel before letting them annex the west bank which will inevitability lead to regional war. Thing would not be going this way with Kamala as president. Anyone who did vote for her out of protest is very privileged not to live in the West Bank. It's time to call our representatives to push back on Trump expansionism in Israel. But I don't have much hope at all.

[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Biden continues to approve arms sales to Israel, in violation of both domestic & international law. And Harris openly declared her intent to commit the same crimes.

I don’t really give a shit if he privately wagged his finger at Netanyahu.