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Since October 7, more than 3,257 children have been reported killed, including at least 3,195 in Gaza, 33 in the West Bank, and 29 in Israel, according to the Ministries of Health in Gaza and Israel respectively. The number of children reported killed in just three weeks in Gaza is more than the number killed in armed conflict globally – across more than 20 countries – over the course of a whole year, for the last three years.

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[–] NightAuthor@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (17 children)

A couple of videos I watched on the subject seem to clearly point at Israel being the aggressor. The existence of Hamas was directly caused by persistent aggression from the Isreali government.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lv1SpwwJEW8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWvSxSEZ4WM

[–] Kashbus@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (15 children)

Fantastic Videos, and yes Israel has given more than enough cause for Palestinians to act against them. But none of them excuse the crimes that Hamas have committed both on Oct 7th and in the past as well

[–] NightAuthor@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (14 children)

Idk, I think decades of serious suffering, oppression, and the looming threat of the annihilation of your people seems like just about as much justification as one could have. I feel like, to say otherwise is to tell the palestinians to shut up and take their genocide with a smile. Peace negotiations have and will get them nowhere, violence, as extreme as they can muster, is the only option they have left. Yet, it pales in comparison to what can be done back to them, and without intervention the state of palestine and its people will cease to be.

[–] Kashbus@lemmy.world -4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

yes genocide as a response to genocide is the only solution /s

[–] NightAuthor@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Is that really how you read my comment, and the situation? Hamas couldn't genocide shit, even if they wanted to. These countries, these people, are not on even ground. And if Hamas didn't do something extreme, we wouldn't be talking about it, no one would give a shit, and they'd go quietly into the history books like so many before them.

[–] Kashbus@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You are not a psychic, you can make any prediction you want but it will never achieve clairvoyance

Mass violence is NEVER a counter to mass violence

Was nothing learned from the non-violence movements?

[–] cecinestpasunbot@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The people of Gaza tried to protest in a non violent march in 2018. The IDF responded by shooting thousands of civilians including women, children, and journalists.

[–] Kashbus@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

non violent march in 2018 "Most of the demonstrators demonstrated peacefully far from the border fence.. Nevertheless, groups consisting mainly of young men approached the fence and committed acts of violence directed towards the Israeli side" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018%E2%80%932019_Gaza_border_protests)

And they will need to keep approaching Nonviolence. It is the only solution that is viable for a long lasting peace

[–] cecinestpasunbot@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

Apartheid is maintained through violence. If you want a non-violent solution to the conflict then Israel has to stop violently enforcing its apartheid system. Palestinians have no say in that decision.

We don’t even need a counterfactual to prove it. Gaza without Hamas would just be the West Bank. People in the West Bank are still suffering under the violence of Israeli occupation and have been for decades.

[–] NightAuthor@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You don't know I'm not psychic.

There you go equating again.

Sometimes nonviolence works, but not always. Sometimes it works in spectacular ways, like the oppressed vanish and then there is no more oppression. Nonviolent movements have existed and had grown quite large in palestine, yet here we are.

Edit: I will say, this sounds nice: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMAtiNHuJlo

[–] SCB@lemmy.world -5 points 1 year ago

Quietly into the history books, as the world's first country of Palestine

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