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The difference is that Biden has not once come out to say "i will help neyyanahu flatten Gaza" and from what I've read has been criticising him (to the best of his old man abilities).
It sucks that U.S. kept sending weapons to Israel for one reason or another, but the key difference here is that with a democratic president you had a higher chance of getting thru.
Good luck getting Trump to listen to anything at all. And I guess good job for letting Trump take the president seat, not only will he help flatten Gaza (which Biden seemingly was doing anyway), but will also flatten women's rights in the U.S., will flatten healthcare and education, will flatten any climate change progress, and will let Russia flatten Ukraine. An astounding failure for the entire world, just because your only issue was "b-but think of Gaza!"
I hope you're happy with your moral high ground because you decided to not vote for Genocide Kamala and instead let Destroy Everyone Trump win.
There have been such astounding things said with a straight face this year.
Oh wow, you literally picked and chose.
To the best of his abilities my ass. Reflexively excusing his continued total support for Israel even after the election is delusional. It's pretty obvious that you had no chance of getting any different result from a Democrat on this issue than a Republican.
And getting mad at me about it is kind of pointless, as I live in Maryland's sixth and my vote for a Democrat house member is the only national vote that mattered (and in this case it really did matter). Despite that I did end up voting for Harris. Maybe you should get mad at the Dems morally bankrupt leadership instead of me.
I will get mad at the 15 million stay-at-home non-voters due to a single-issue before i consider getting mad at the Dems for not caressing these people on their single-issue.
I will get mad at the 15 million who never learned of the phrase "Lesser of two evils", who thought that by not voting they are making some sort of brave statement on morals.
Suck it up, there were 2 choices: Genocide, with high chance of progress away from Genocide Genocide with bonus destruction, and no chance of steering away from any of it
It's literally the trolley problem, and people that didn't vote just didn't pull the lever and have let mass destruction happen.
Your continued apologizing for genocide as the lesser of two evils after the election is as morally bankrupt as the Dem leadership that tried to sacrifice gazan lives for the Republican vote. And look at how well that worked out for them.
I am not apologizing genocide, I am simply criticising people that voted for Genocide + More by not going to vote at all.
The morally right choice was to reduce harm as much as possible, and that was only viable if voting with Kamala. By otherwise not voting or going independent (In a place like U.S. where an independent vote is basically a waste), you're just letting the fascism push more.
But again, these people can at least sleep easier at night knowing they didn't vote for anyone doing genocide. They simply facilitated genocide + everything bad to seep through and win.
Trying to only blame the dems for the civic duty failure of 15 million people is insane in my opinion. In other countries you just vote with the candidate you like the most, even if they won't see eye to eye with you on some issues, it's not some "oh I will only vote if these candidates win me over!". You either vote because you agree with someone ideologically, or you vote because there's Hitler on the ballot and Jesus Christ you do not want Hitler to win, even if the candidate you voted for will only give Israel more weapons. Otherwise you let Hitler win and now there are two genocides occuring instead of just one.
No, you're apologizing by drawing a fucking distinction for the Dems that does not exist. It just doesn't. I'll refer you to my original point: where is the red line for the Dems on Gaza?
I guess sending weapons permits a level of discussion with an otherwise insane lunatic. Trump won't give a shit about the discussion.
Now I ask you, how many ongoing genocides are enough? Because the people that didn't vote are probably on the side of "Hey, Palestine isn't enough! Ukraine should get some aswell! And former USSR countries in the future!"
Thank you for voting Harris, you just need to understand the 15 million are idiots for not expressing one of the most essential opinions whatsoever
I wonder if you would have had the same response if I was palestinian and threatened by Israel, instead of Eastern European and threatened by Russia and possible nuclear war.
Nice fucking moral compass dipshit.
Wrong! Not American! Also not a fucking moron!
If I was an American I would have voted Kamala simply because TRUMP is Much. Much. Much. MUCH FUCKING WORSE FOR LITERALLY EVERYONE. NOT JUST GAZA.
I don't know, at the end of the day, when you vote for a president first and foremost should be your own interests before any foreign politics. Making sure your rights are intact so you can discuss foreign issues afterwards.
It's like airplane oxygen masks: Put on your own mask before helping others. The non-voters/independents have frsntically tried to help others first, failed miserably and fainted in the process, slowing everyone around down.
But I am sure the children in Gaza will be grateful you let Trump win because he is such a sweetheart with children :P
Read the fucking room and realise the safety of more people is at risk now, not just Gaza.
Trust me if I was American I would have voted Harris, but fate made it so I am not.
Don't yell at me for yelling at the same dipshits that didn't vote Harris, and don't criticise me for bringing up other issues when it's relevant to make it clear one choice is worse than the other.
You are a fucking moron if you think for one second I am american.
I am from Europe. I made it very clear when I said in one of my comments I am excited for russia to border me. I didn't do shit