this post was submitted on 31 Oct 2024
34 points (97.2% liked)

Asklemmy

43939 readers
733 users here now

A loosely moderated place to ask open-ended questions

Search asklemmy ๐Ÿ”

If your post meets the following criteria, it's welcome here!

  1. Open-ended question
  2. Not offensive: at this point, we do not have the bandwidth to moderate overtly political discussions. Assume best intent and be excellent to each other.
  3. Not regarding using or support for Lemmy: context, see the list of support communities and tools for finding communities below
  4. Not ad nauseam inducing: please make sure it is a question that would be new to most members
  5. An actual topic of discussion

Looking for support?

Looking for a community?

~Icon~ ~by~ ~@Double_A@discuss.tchncs.de~

founded 5 years ago
MODERATORS
 

For example in a tree, the water is lifted from the high concentration in the soil to the low concentration higher up in the tree. But at the end of that process the water has been elevated, which should take energy (=mgh), but it seems like it kind of gets lifted for free without spending any energy?

Similarly, dipping a paper towel into a bowl of water, the water "climbs" the towel (by capillary action?) and absorbs upwards, meaning the water was lifted upwards (so gained potential energy) seemingly for free?

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments

โˆ†G = โˆ†H - Tโˆ†S

โˆ†G is the change in Gibb's free energy. If it is negative for a process, the process will happen spontaneously. If it is 0, the process is at equilibrium. If positive, the process will not occur unless coupled to another process to make total โˆ†G โ‰ค 0.

โˆ†H is the change in enthalpy, the heat energy of the process. If it is negative, the process releases heat to the environment, getting hotter. If positive, it absorbs heat from the environment, becoming colder. If that feels counterintuitive, remember that you as the observer are also the environment.

T is temperature in Kelvin.

โˆ†S is entropy. Entropy is hard to rigorously define, but loosely it represents a state of disorder. A well mixed solution has high entropy, since the degrees of freedom within the mixture are high. A concentration gradient (high salt on one side of a membrane, lower on the other) has lower entropy because the existence of that gradient restricts those degrees of chemical freedom. A good rule of thumb is that if a barrier is required to maintain a state of things, it is a lower entropy state than what is possible.

Put that all together, and we can think about the question again. โˆ†H is close to zero for the process. It will do some slight cooling, but that has more to do with evaporation than anything else. Temperature is unknown but doesn't affect the sign of โˆ†G if โˆ†H is close to zero. That means โˆ†S is our main driver. In the case of a plant, there is a gradient, with more salt inside the root than outside it. As such, in order to increase entropy and therefore have a negative โˆ†G, water moves from a low-salt environment to a high-salt environment. This brings water into the root and in doing so creates water pressure that forces the water upward as long as it has a path to do so.

The logic is similar but simpler for a piece of paper sucking up water, as the gradient is caused by the paper being dry and therefore creating a gradient in the amount of water.