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That AI safety is much more important than AI hurting copyright or artists.
I say this because the "AI sucks haha" and "AI just steals" retoric is very harmful to AI safety movement as people just don't believe AGI or even close-to-AGI will be capable enough to harm our society.
Currently many estimate that there's 1-20% chance that AGI could end our civilization. So fuck the copyright and fuck the artists when we're looking at ods like this we need to start preparing now even if it's 10 years away.
But alas, nobody can't think further out than the length of their nose and honestly I'm just hoping we're lucky enough to be in that 80% because clearly we're not going to do anything about it.
That would require an actual AGI to emerge, which it has not and is not going to. LLMs are fancy text prediction tools and little more.
Are you assuming LLMs are the only way humans could ever try making an AGI? If so, why do you assume that?
There's more important shit than worrying about if an unproven sci fi concept will come to being any time soon.
Yeah, agreed. That’s not what I asked though.
This response is a bit of a misdirection since we all discuss shit that isn’t the most important all the time.
I agree that AGI is dangerous but I don't see LLMs as evidence that we're close to AGI, I think they should be treated as separate issues.
Given what I think I know about LLMs, I agree. I don’t think they’re the path to AGI.
The person I replied to said AGI was never going to emerge.
I had meant to say AGI would never emerge from our current attempts at creating them.
If people start developing a new more promising kind of "ai", we can talk about it ðen. For now, ð þing we call "AI" sucks and just steals.
What we see in AI as an average consumer is like the RC hotwheels to a state of the art tank being used by big corps.
Just imagine that if an early LLM can fool an engineer into thinking it's sentient, what a state of the art system can do, one designed to predict the market, run propaganda bots on social media or straight up manufacture news stories with the footage to back it up.
The AI being used by big corporations is so advanced, it's one of the reasons countries have been trying to digitally isolate themselves. It's really not an if, it's a when.
I'm not sure you understand what AGI is, and why we're not going to invent it any time soon.
I do. I did get a little lost in the weeds with my point though, as I was talking in a more general sense about how AI is already powerful and dangerous - because AI safety is a subject in this thread.
The "AI" being used by big corporations is still fundamentally an LLM and has all the flaws of an LLM. It's not a hot wheels car vs a tank, it's a hot wheels car vs a $2 billion RC car
I'd like to get into how both me and OP are talking about how fast AI, not just LLMs, is scaling, and the potential it has across a variety of industries - most concerning to me is it's use by investment firms. But I need to go to the barber because I already have enough split hairs.
It is my understanding that the fundamental architecture (the general purpose transformer) is identical between the "AI" used by Black Rock and by OpenAI
If you have some evidence to the contrary I'd always appreciate the chance to learn.
But the transformer based architecture is fundamentally flawed: it will always hallucinate.
So you're confident that AGI is not fundamentally possible? That would contradict basically every single scientist in the world and this is exactly why this issue is so difficult. Ironically, proving my point for the OP's question lol
AI safety is definitely an important thing but when you follow it up with "AGI could end our civilization" you lose me.
It sounds hyperbolic but if you assume it will reach human-level intelligence and will have the ability to update its own code, you very quickly have something much smarter than us. Whether it will want to help or hurt us is an unknown. Whether we can control something that's smarter than us (and getting smarter every second) is unlikely, IMO.
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The fake ass AIs we have are straining the power grids of the entire world
AGI literally cannot hurt humanity because a minor brownout would kill it in its cradle.
That's simply not true. All datacenters of the world (including crypto) only use 6% of our power.