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One of Moscow's fighter jets has been shot down by Ukrainian forces, according to a military blogger with links to the Russian air force. Another pro-Moscow milblogger said that the Sukhoi Su-34 aircraft had been downed by a Western-supplied F-16.

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[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (11 children)

It's a morale booster. Marines want a battleship to roll-up and lob explosive vws at the enemy and the army wants to keep it's brrt buddy. With more modern electronics and better drone link they'd still be very capable at the job they are built to do.

[–] Maalus@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago (8 children)

You don't spend excessive logistics on a "morale booster". Then, those morale boosters would get shot down in no time and it would have both the strain on the logistics, and the opposite effect for morale. It's an old plane that's not useful on modern battlefields. Get Ukraine what they need - long range rockets and permission to use them how they want. Get them more fighter jets. Get them more artillery. Don't send trash.

[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (6 children)
[–] Maalus@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Dude you bring up a curiosity in a different situation, time and war, economy and scale. Ukraine doesn't have countless factories pumping out fighter jets to be able to dedicate those to making spare parts for an obsolete airframe. No amount of morale is worth it when you cannot supply the soldiers with what they need. Imagine ice cream barges going through the pacific when most of the US carriers would be on the bottom of the ocean with no more comming. It would be a laughable waste of resources.

[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You said we don't waste logistics on militarily useless morale boosters. Clearly the us does as do most militaries, good cas is well worth every penny. CAS that scares the shit out of your enemy and raises your troops spirits is even better.

It's never been a forward weapon, it was never meant to be. No one is suggesting to send it now they're saying it may be useful to ship pilots and get them started training and as far as I'm aware that's wrapped into funding.

[–] Maalus@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

A10's aren't "good CAS". They are a hog on logistics, expensive, the gun isn't worth it anymore and the job can be done in 300 other, more efficient ways. It's a white elephant and nothing more, there is a reason they are getting retired.

[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 0 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

There's more reason they've been trying to retire then since before many people here were born and yet haven't been. Troops love them, armchair strategists that have been saying they aren't worth the money don't. Who should I care about more I wonder.

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