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The newest midsize crossover in Stellantis’ European lineup is available in five or seven-passenger configurations with either mild hybrid ICE or BEV drivetrain configurations – but that’s not the interesting part. The interesting part is this: whether you go with gas or electric, the price you pay remains the same. (!) Price parity, in the context of EVs, basically means that it would cost the same to buy an electric version of a car as an internal combustion version. Whether or not making parity a priority makes sense (and there are plenty who would argue that it doesn’t), there is still a persistent belief that EVs cost more than comparable gas cars.

Well, they did, anyway. The new Vauxhall Frontera is a mid-size crossover set to launch in the UK later this year with a £23,495 price tag (approx. $30,705) for the ICE version … and £23,495 for the BEV.

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[–] FunderPants@lemmy.ca 18 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (6 children)

Amazing, what a great development. The value prop of my Chevy Bolt was always the operating cost. I've saved $25000 CAD over five years on gas and oil changes VS a car with 8l/100km (my old car). I'm at the point now that my Bolt was a better or equal deal to most new vehicles over $20,000 CAD MRSP. In a few years the low operating cost will make it a better deal than any car over $10,000. If the car makes it to around 300,000 km it will have saved so much money on gas it will have offset its own cost.

But when I talk to people about it the capital cost is what people tend to fixate on. As if operating it doesn't count. But at price parity, it's basically a no brainer for the vast majority of commuters. This barrier is gone.

The used market is transforming here too. I actually just purchased a second EV, a loaded 2020 soul ev with 2 years/20,000km bumper to bumper warranty left, and 140,000 battery warranty. I paid $16000CAD, this was less than 8 of 10 comparable gas versions in my regional market. This was a private sale, no EV rebates, and there was price parity. It wasn't even my only option like this, my local market has enough 2020/2021/2022 Ioniqs, Leafs, and Bolts that I had a hard time choosing our second car.

Change is here in the market, I hope attitudes change with it. Because I'm a bit sick of every Facebook ad for an EV being nothing but laughing faces and ignorant comments.

[–] Geometrinen_Gepardi@sopuli.xyz 1 points 2 days ago (5 children)

How much would a replacement battery for your cars cost should the worst happen?

[–] FunderPants@lemmy.ca 9 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (4 children)

For my Chevy, which is out of warranty now, but amazingly still working with little to degradation, it would be around $15000 CAD for a new replacement battery at the dealer. Less if I can source the used part from a wreck and goto my own mechanic.

For the Soul, I have no idea, but I'm 140,000km or 5 years away from being exposed to it.

Just for context, a motor replacement for an ICE car can run anywhere from $5500-$14000 CAD according to JD power and associates.

Battery failure is an interesting problem, dead cells can reduce the range of the car, but is my Bolt with a 300km range useless? Probably not. The batteries can be pulled for home backup uses as well if the failure isn't catastrophic. When an ICE engine fails, we salvage the parts, EVs have that too. There is a huge community around replacing and upgrading NISSAN leaf batteries, for example, they can be upgraded for half what I mentioned here.

[–] pennomi@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Plus battery cost is still dropping rapidly, while the longevity has been increasing. A lot of refinement of the tech has been going on the last 10 years.

[–] FunderPants@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

CATL is producing a battery with a million mile 15 year, 80% charge warranty that is only a bit less energy dense than current batteries. At 15 years, if your battery is 79.9% Soc, they do a full replacement.

For context, CATL is not some start up making a big promise, they're one of the biggest battery manufacturers in the world and this battery is in production now, headed to EVs in a year or two. This tech ends battery failure anxiety, and will guarantee batteries outlive the useful life of the car.

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