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[–] LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I love that Lemmy thinks neoliberalism is "socialism"

[–] Soulg@sh.itjust.works 21 points 1 month ago (2 children)

There's plenty of actual socialist and communist communities though lol

[–] blady_blah@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

If you say so. I can't say I've ever run across one accidentally though.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 month ago

Lemmy.world is defederated from the largest Marxist aligned instances.

[–] noride@lemm.ee 9 points 1 month ago

Because you are on an instance that has defederated with many of the other ones where these types of posts originate.

[–] LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Hexbear.net and Lemmygrad.ml are explicitly Marxist aligned. Lemmy.ml's admins are Marxists, but for some reason insist that it isn't a Marxist instance. Lemmy.world defederated from both Grad and Hexbear, because the Lemmy.world mods and admins are anti-Marxist.

[–] LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

What about anarcho-communist communities?

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Hexbear.net is anti-sectarian, so it has AnComms and Marxist-Leninists alike, with no infighting allowed. It probably has the largest number by quantity.

dbzer0 has many AnComms, though it's explicitly a Piracy instance.

Lemmy.ml has Anarchist communities as well as the Solarpunk instance, but neither have the numbers of the other 2 instances listed.

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Actually we're not an explicit piracy instance. We just run the piracy comm but I never planned it to primarily about piracy.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago

Oh, TIL. Thanks!

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

as an instance? lemmy.dbzer0.com. I'm an ancom and used to be top mod of /r/anarchism for years. For communities we run /c/anarchism and /c/flippanarchy

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Oh, he did forget to add the comic cell for “replies to posts about socialism where socialism isn’t even socialist enough”.

[–] BradleyUffner@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

You're not socialist enough unless you are threatening to murder everyone that you think isn't socialist enough.

[–] Telodzrum@lemmy.world -1 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I love that keyboard slacktivists think anything they don’t personally agree with is “neoliberalism.”

[–] meep_launcher@lemm.ee 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It's almost as if social media has only intensified tribalism by giving us two dimensional views of the people we interact with. Our in-group has a diverse set of reasonable ideas, whereas the outgroup is a brainwashed monolith of everything we hate.

[–] Telodzrum@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The internet (even pre-social media) is an exercise in group polarization, recursively and repeatedly.

[–] meep_launcher@lemm.ee 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

100%

I know I've even taken more extreme stances outwardly than I actually believed because I didn't want to be outcast by my friend group.

Oddly enough when I became more comfortable to speak my mind in a non-threatening manor to those who trust me, I did get my close circle to show that they weren't as extreme as they presented themselves either.

[–] LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Really recommend the book "The Rise and Fall of the Neoliberal Order: America and the World in the Free Market Era" by Gary Gerstle if you want to know more about what neoliberalism is and what the goals are/were and why it's actively destroying the country.

Eta: https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2022/05/06/how-neoliberal-order-triumphed-why-its-now-crumbling/

The neoliberal order was no exception. Despite being a project incubated in Republican circles and launched under Ronald Reagan, its full-scale consolidation occurred under the Democratic presidency of Bill Clinton in the 1990s.

Imo the neoliberal order was a response to the Civil Rights Era, a WORLDWIDE movement that gave ordinary citizens more rights and power than any other time in history. To disempower them, capitalism was weaponized to create neoliberal policies to make poor people stay poor, without capital, and thus powerless.

But it was not until Reagan that neoliberalism actively shaped the policy agenda of the federal government. Deregulation became the mantra of the decade, its most visible manifestation being the assault on collective bargaining and the further weakening of already struggling unions. Progressive taxation was contested ideologically and dismantled politically: When Reagan was elected, the income tax system was structured in 15 different brackets, with the highest reaching 70 percent; after his presidency, the country was left with just two brackets, 15 and 28 percent.

“Neoliberals,” Gerstle writes, “had long argued for the need to ringfence free markets, limiting participation to those who could handle its rigors.” Now they also embraced a religiously imbued neo-Victorian moral code, setting themselves in opposition to the permissiveness and moral relativism of the 1960s and 1970s. The race-biased mass incarceration of an “underclass” — regarded as unfit to handle those rigors — seemed to offer the ultimate solution. Liberation and repression, freedom and order, were not incompatible; in the neoliberal equation they were strictly interdependent.

So sure, I personally dislike neoliberalism, but I have a good understanding of what it is as well, so you're criticism is invalid.