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A top economist has joined the growing list of China's elite to have disappeared from public life after criticizing Xi Jinping, according to The Wall Street Journal. 

Zhu Hengpeng served as deputy director of the Institute of Economics at the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences (CASS) for around a decade.

CASS is a state research think tank that reports directly to China's cabinet. Chen Daoyin, a former associate professor at Shanghai University of Political Science and Law, described it as a "body to formulate party ideology to support the leadership."

According to the Journal, the 55-year-old disappeared shortly after remarking on China's sluggish economy and criticizing Xi's leadership in a private group on WeChat.

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[–] volodya_ilich@lemm.ee 1 points 2 months ago (2 children)

And access to transport was widely available to the overwhelming majority of the population through trains, trams, buses and trolleybuses. Even if your American mind can't comprehend this fact, owning a car isn't the ultimate form of mobility, there are alternatives that are arguably better. City design was centered around walkability, density and public transit; metro systems were luxurious and a predicament all out of themselves, and housing being generally obtained through the worker's union implied that workers usually lived in relative proximity to their workplaces.

The soviet economy was a developing, centrally planned economy, not running under the premise of overproduction and surplus but running under the premise of 5-year plans of production. There was full employment, and almost complete usage of the raw materials extracted and industrial goods produced. Making twice as many cars, implied removing all of that labor and those resources from another sector of the economy. When the premise isn't to "make money selling cars to rich people", but to "grant adequate material conditions and welfare to every citizen", you have to make decisions like that. More cars could have implied, for example, fewer hospital beds or fewer trams, but my point is that making more private cars would have NECESSARILY meant making less of something else of which there's also no surplus (because the premise of the USSR was the non-existence of surplus). It's very easy to have surpluses in a capitalist economy when you don't care about 80% of the population not having access to the goods and services available, when you want everyone to have access it's a different story.

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Tell that to people living in the countryside, lol. Even if your wannabe-communist, Western-born, city dwelling, mindset tell you otherwise, those on the country have limited access to transportation and infrastructures that city folks take for granted.

[–] volodya_ilich@lemm.ee -3 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Data says otherwise. Since the end of the soviet block, there's been a massive migration outwards from the countryside in favour of urban life all over the former socialist republics. Maybe the idea of subsidizing the infrastructure of the countryside despite it not making sense within capitalism wasn't such a bad idea after all... Please, try to respond to that: why are people flocking from the degrading countryside in post soviet countries

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

Please, try to respond to that: why are people flocking from the degrading countryside in post soviet countries

"I don't understand why people live in cities." - Peak Tankie Analysis, apparently

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Since the end of the soviet block, there's been a massive migration outwards from the countryside in favour of urban life all over the former socialist republics.

We're talking about during communist era, you goal-post moving dong head.

You are literally just did what this comment chain is criticising lol.

[–] volodya_ilich@lemm.ee -3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Think harder. I'm not "moving goalposts", I'm saying, if life in the countryside was so bad during soviet times, why are people from the countryside moving out now and not before... You said "tell that to the people living on the countryside", the reality is that the people in the countryside were forced to leave the countryside after communism. So why don't you go ask them?

[–] TachyonTele@lemm.ee 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Man, that all sounds great.
It totally succeeded, right?

[–] volodya_ilich@lemm.ee -2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

It turned a backwater pre-capitalist empire where 80% of the population were poor farmers, into the second world power in unprecedentedly quick industrialization and development, defeated the Nazis and prevented their extermination of the Slavic people including Poles and Ukrainians, it guaranteed rights to women and to national minorities like Kazakh, Uzbeki, Georgians, Armenians, it established for the first time in history concepts like socialized healthcare and pensions for every citizen which western Europe later emulated... After being dismantled, of which it's been 33 years, Russia still hasn't recovered the GDP per capita of the USSR, so what does that tell you about how well liberalism is working in Russia?

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Socialised healthcare and pension first came during Bismarck's time-- long before communism has come to Russia.

[–] volodya_ilich@lemm.ee -2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

And how much did they expand in Europe and how long did they last? Anyway, nice that you can only respond to that point

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Pretty much all of Europe have affordable healthcare and pension-- right now?

[–] volodya_ilich@lemm.ee -4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

How long did it last in the Weimar Republic (whose ideology you failed to mention btw). And when was it implemented in the rest of Europe.

But yeah for how long will our glorious liberal democracies have affordable healthcare and pensions, we've done nothing but degrade them for the past 30 years because apparently doing better is communism

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

How long did it last in the Weimar Republic (whose ideology you failed to mention btw).

Bismarck was long before the Weimar Republic. Jesus Christ.

[–] TachyonTele@lemm.ee 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

So they're still around right, because of how well it succeeded? It didn't completely fail and send the country into famine and despair did it?

... oh

[–] volodya_ilich@lemm.ee -2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

No, it didn't "fail" by any historical account. If you look up even on Wikipedia, which has an extremely western bias, you'll see that the article is called , "dissolution" of the USSR, not failure or crumbling or whatever revisionist word of the day you wanna choose. The USSR was booming, it enjoyed overwhelming legitimacy in the vast majority of its republics (with some notable exceptions in the Baltics mostly) as proven by the soviet referendum to maintain the USSR, and it was only dissolved from the top down by a few party members, not a failure or crumbling by any means. The 90s crisis wasn't created by socialism, it was created by the newly formed capitalist government which auctioned the country to the most corrupt bidder and created the russian oligarchy that we all hate now. It was literally directed by western institutions like the International Monetary Fund and economists from MIT, you can feel free to study this subject in the slightest if you're interested and you'll see that what I'm saying is right (clearly you haven't done so before).

[–] TachyonTele@lemm.ee 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] volodya_ilich@lemm.ee -1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Nah seriously, look up the role of the IMF in the "restructuring" of the Russian economy. And look up the social and economic consequences

[–] TachyonTele@lemm.ee 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)