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[–] greedytacothief@lemmy.world 61 points 2 months ago (150 children)

I have lots of friends that are vegan/have been vegan, or are sympathetic to the cause. IRL I have had some wonderful conversations about veganism and the ethics of our diet. But on the Internet it's the vegans ironically that need to get out and touch grass. It's like there's no nuance to any conversation, like sorry I can be Peter Singer, it's actually kinda difficult to be that moral.

[–] fleetwheels@walledgarden.xyz 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Peter Singer isn't actually vegan (he is human garbage though), so idk why vegans still idolize him so much

(am vegan)

[–] greedytacothief@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I hold no allegiance to Singer, I was merely using him as an example since he is a well known moral philosopher. But now I'm curious, what's the tea, why is he so bad? What makes him deserving of the title human garbage?

[–] fleetwheels@walledgarden.xyz 2 points 2 months ago

From a 2004 interview:

Concerning bestiality - should people have sex with animals, seen as willing participants? -- he responded, "I would ask, 'What's holding you back from a more fulfilling relationship?' (but) it's not wrong inherently in a moral sense."

Is there anything wrong with a society in which children are bred for spare parts on a massive scale? "No."

From a 2001 review:

But sex with animals does not always involve cruelty. Who has not been at a social occasion disturbed by the household dog gripping the legs of a visitor and vigorously rubbing its penis against them? The host usually discourages such activities, but not everyone objects to being used by his or her dog in this way, and occasionally mutually satisfying activities may develop.

Article on a 2015 case of a woman sexually assaulting her student, a mute man with cerebral palsy:

If we assume that he is profoundly cognitively impaired, we should concede that he cannot understand the normal significance of sexual relations between persons or the meaning and significance of sexual violation. These are, after all, difficult to articulate even for persons of normal cognitive capacity. In that case, he is incapable of giving or withholding informed consent to sexual relations; indeed, he may lack the concept of consent altogether.

This does not exclude the possibility that he was wronged by Stubblefield [the assaulter], but it makes it less clear what the nature of the wrong might be. It seems reasonable to assume that the experience was pleasurable to him; for even if he is cognitively impaired, he was capable of struggling to resist, and [...] it is implausible to suppose that Stubblefield forcibly subdued him. On the assumption that he is profoundly cognitively impaired, therefore, it seems that if Stubblefield wronged or harmed him, it must have been in a way that he is incapable of understanding and that affected his experience only pleasurably.

There's also this statement by the National Council on Disability in response to Singer's appearance on a radio show.

Singer's statements supporting eugenics, which is what he's most notorious for, are also not difficult to find.

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