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A Berlin court has convicted a pro-Palestinian activist of condoning a crime for leading a chant of the slogan “from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free” at a rally in the German capital four days after the Hamas attacks on Israel, in what her defence team called a defeat for free speech.

The presiding judge, Birgit Balzer, ordered 22-year-old German-Iranian national Ava Moayeri to pay a €600 (£515) fine on Tuesday, rejecting her argument that she meant only to express support for “peace and justice” in the Middle East by calling out the phrase on a busy street.

Balzer said she “could not comprehend” the logic of previous German court rulings that determined the saying was “ambiguous”, saying to her it was clear it “denied the right of the state of Israel to exist”.

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[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (13 children)

People 100% do use it both ways. That the court convicted and fined them without showing which one it actually was. And rejecting their defense stating that it wasn't intended in that way. Is very troubling.

It's absolutely plain to see that Germany is erring too far in a different direction so it's not seen as attacking Jewish populations in any way. But as a result they are helping push back other vulnerable populations. I don't think it's the good look they're hoping it was.

[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (9 children)

Using it both ways should not be a problem regardless.

There is nothing wrong with being against a less than 100 year old settler state that’s actively engaging in genocide. The land and the people do not have to be under the jurisdiction of a racist ethnostate.

What would actually help is not continuing to conflate Israel with Judaism.

[–] steventhedev@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (8 children)

calling for the destruction of a country is never ok, and is always a problem

[–] crewman_princess@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Calling for the destruction of a STATE is fine. I for one am glad that the racist state of Rhodesia is no more. I am sure a lot of Czech and Slovakian people are glad to get rid of Czechoslovakia. It's not the same as calling for the destruction or removal of people.

[–] steventhedev@lemmy.world -2 points 3 months ago

No reasonable person would hear "destroy Mexico" and think "oh, he must really dislike the government and state of Mexico". They will automatically assume that you mean to bring about the destruction of Mexico *\including the people who live there*.

if you truly intended to advocate merely for the immediate dissolution of the state, you would have said so.

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