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[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 42 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children)

It's not just that.

Every other election debates are held by a nonpartisan organization and a third party that meets certain requirements can also join.

Because political parties are private organizations not attached to the government.

This election both parties agreed they will only do debates that they arrange.

Meaning they're in charge of who shows up, and they'll never both agree to let anyone else join.

People keep acting like it doesn't matter, but it's a big deal.

Edit:

Obviously RFK is a joke and won't win, but we shouldn't just shrug as the two private parties seize more and more power when they have zero accountability to voters and neither side will ever be held accountable by their own politicians.

[–] Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Every other election debates are held by a nonpartisan organization and a third party that meets certain requirements can also join.

They change the rules rather arbitrarily to suit their needs anyway. During the 2000 election Nader was excluded from debates under the new rule that the green party had to have gotten 5% of the vote (nationally) in the previous presidential election to quality. Some of the votes for Nader, that helped get Bush elected, were cast to make sure the green party got that 5% for the next election. They didn't, it ended up at 4% and change, but the rule was changed for 2004 anyway so it wouldn't have mattered.

[–] Drusas@kbin.run 5 points 6 months ago (2 children)

He's being left out not because Trump or Biden are keeping him out. He's being left out because he does not meet the minimum requirements to qualify for a place on the debate stage. He has to have a certain percentage of voters polling for him and he simply does not have that.

[–] Rolder@reddthat.com 5 points 6 months ago

I think the point was that the polling requirement was how it USED to work, but this election season the parties are holding their own debates with their own rules. I don’t have a source on it myself but I think that’s the claim here.

RFK Jr wouldn’t be invited regardless though.

[–] DancingBear@midwest.social -1 points 6 months ago (1 children)
[–] Drusas@kbin.run 1 points 6 months ago

The lower one side goes, the lower the other side goes. How are you gonna vote out fascism when the Democrats go a low as they can simply because Republicans go lower. Trump doesn't even need to win at this point for fascism to continue encroaching because Dems will continue to strip liberties like fair debates away under the guise of stopping the other sides fascism. Every day we march rightward.