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[–] TheFriar@lemm.ee 144 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (37 children)

Further advice regarding civil disobedience:

LEAVE YOUR PHONES AT HOME. Write down some numbers in case you get arrested—or better yet, memorize them. There are journalists there for documenting. And there will be plenty of other people that don’t follow this advice. Leave anything they could use as leverage over you and your cohorts away. Don’t bring ID. Don’t bring anything except what you need for the action. It’s not worth the risk.

ETA: also, any of you with a new car? DONT DRIVE THAT SHIT TO ANY MEETING OR PROTEST. They’re spying on you. Don’t post about it. Don’t use any unencrypted messaging service to coordinate it—WhatsApp is not safe. Signal and probably some other less common ones are the only ones safe enough. Ride a bike there, stash it in a conveniently hidden spot. Bring a change of clothes, plan escape routes, plant the change of clothes either hidden on your escape route or wear them under your plain clothes. Cover tattoos. Leftist activists are not safe. And literally the rest of your life could depend upon how well protected you have made yourself.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/feb/10/felony-charges-pipeline-protesters-line-3

So many states have pretty quietly passed laws to make you a felon for protesting. Even peacefully. And to make you a fuckin corpse. In the south especially, a few states were writing “go ahead, run over any protester in the road” laws.

Be smart. Be safe. Have a plan. Have a contingency plan. This isn’t “fuck around with the blunt end of the justice system and find out” territory, in 2024 US, it’s time to be as safe as you can while doing what’s right. Because doing what’s right is criminalized. Heavily.

[–] TechnoMystic@lemmy.world -5 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Maybe get a dumb burner phone with no personal data on it. You could potentially keep your main phone in a secret/secure pocket.

[–] Grippler@feddit.dk 20 points 6 months ago

keep your main phone in a secret/secure pocket.

Terrible idea, it will be found with absolute certainty if you're arrested.

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 11 points 6 months ago (1 children)

No. Several Jan 6 participants tried burners and they still got caught because the burners were still linked to their movements and activities and their personal phones were unusually unused/off/immobile for the amount of time the burners were used. You would have to expend a lot of effort to make sure your burner was completely disconnected from yours and your phone’s location, as well as making sure your phone showed signs of appropriate activity in your absence.

Not so easy.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Just having a burner phone works against dragnet surveillance if one is not doing really stupid shit like logging in to one's personal social media accounts from one.

If however it's an actual crime which actually gets investigated by actual criminal investigators, they're going to be coming at it individually and using much more specific techniques than just "use a surveillance warrant to get a list of all mobile phones that connected to certain cell towers at certain points in time and plonk them all on a database to cross-check with similar data from other demonstrations".

You can't just treat a burner phone as a second phone that you have active anywhere near your home, place of work or places you normally frequent and you can't just keep it and keep on using it for a long period of time: the longer one holds on to that burner phone the more data points there will be that can be bulk checked with other, identifyable, data from other sources (say, car tracking data) to find out a more than normal overlap.

I wouldn't at all be surprised if those people with the burner phones had them with them active whilst ridding their personal vehicles which had something like OnStar or were dumb enough to log-in to their Facebook account from them.

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