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[–] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 84 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (57 children)

UBI is kind of cool but it has some massive flaws. For example: Landlords and groceries can just raise prices to bring the cost of living up and since there are no rent/price controls (because "that would be communism") we'll be right back to where we started. What you want is Universal Basic Services. Anything you need to live is free. Literally impossible for anyone to game that system and equally impossible for people to slip through the gaps, but it's also never going to happen because "that would be communism"

So yeah this is why capitalism has go to, because any attempt at actually making a just and fair society will be dismissed as "being communism"

[–] Espi@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago (4 children)

UBI is a way to make capitalism more fair. One important fact about capitalism that seemingly everyone forgot is that competition is a requirement for it to work.

If there is fierce competition in all markets, even if everyone is getting UBI, price hikes are impossible.

[–] samson@aussie.zone 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's a fantasy though. An extremely competitive market would be nice, but in reality it would be a race to the bottom and those who started with more cash would win out, buy up or starve the competition and monopolise, giving them the extra space to be lazy and pass on profits to their shareholders, who dictate increased prices to increase their margins.

[–] trailing9@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's where you have to tax monopolies.

Monopolies will resist but it takes only some expropriations to motivate shareholders that they push for law-abiding behavior.

[–] samson@aussie.zone 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This doesn't stop anything though again. Unless you tax them out of business, they will still be a monopoly and will fix prices for their profit. Less profit is still profit.

If you tax them too high they will either seek recourse via illegally bribing politicians (or "lobbying") to have those taxes removed, or monopolise with legally distinct businesses where wealth is concentrated in the few regardless.

[–] trailing9@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Right, they are a monopoly until there is competition. That's OK. You tax them higher until it becomes profitable for a competitor. That's not 'out of business', just high enough.

But you can also accept the monopoly if the offer is transparent and good enough.

The colluding is a problem. It is the problem. It's unavoidable. In every system there is corruption. This cannot be solved but has to be dealt with case by case.

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