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[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 11 points 6 months ago (8 children)

Saying they won't vote for Biden is the only leverage they have to exercise to prompt policy changes. "Uncommitted" scoring big in Michigan was effectively the first time Biden even started to pay attention to anti-genocide voters. Again, the goal is to make Biden change his stance so that he wins the election. Threatening his election is the leverage, not the end goal.

[–] Astrealix@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago (7 children)

Yes, but it only works so much as that leverage exists. When the alternative is Trump, that leverage isn't gonna be realistically useable come November — and there are definitely folks who don't just say they won't vote for Biden over this issue (which is imo good, since that's the whole point of a democracy). I just worry that this strategy actually does extend to the general election and make even more people suffer even more... IMO, focus should be on bottom up — specifically the legislative branch, where there's quite a few especially in the House where a primary campaign could do well and force the issue at hand.

[–] hglman@lemmy.ml 5 points 6 months ago (4 children)

Trump is an enormous amount of leverage. Biden basically has to adapt if he cares about stopping Trump.

[–] Astrealix@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The ones that will suffer most under Trump are the ones threatening to get him elected. The Dems know this. If anything, that's leverage Biden has and is using, unfortunately.

[–] hglman@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)
[–] Astrealix@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Against people that want to see the people of Palestine not be constantly bombed into oblivion. Trump's US will be significantly worse for women and minorities, so most people in those groups will end up better off under Biden because at the very least the Democratic Party aren't literally white supremacist fascists. Those that don't vote for Biden will largely be doing so as a protest vote or through apathy, which is significant (especially when you can see the size of the uncommitted vote, which is quite significant, and I hope grows), but also self-defeating — so it makes sense for the Democrats to pander to the type of person that would vote for Nikki Haley (which unfortunately somehow has a demographic much bigger than the left) instead, since they wouldn't necessarily be endangered as harshly by Trump and so need incentives to vote for Biden.

[–] hglman@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 months ago

There is no evidence of anyone crossing between parties.

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