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Lawmaker: TikTok must "sever relationship with the Chinese Communist Party."

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[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip -2 points 7 months ago (21 children)

Bull, if it was 'just about gathering data' they'd go after Zuck and Musk too.

They're amaerican. They already have them.

Further, if Russia were considered 'mostly white', NATO wouldn't be trying to encircle and exterminate them. Try again.

Dude, if NATO wanted them destroyed they wouldn't be as passive as they have been. It has nothing to do with race. There are plenty of Russian/Caucasian people in the west.

Further bull, America's done everything in its power to keep forms of slavery in play; specifically pipelining the minorities they used to keep as chattel into prison slavery instead.

I agree this is happening, but is it because of race or because it's an easy excuse. You can't tell the difference.

Four hundred years of slavery, genocide, resource extraction, ignorance of sovereignty, and extrajudicial murder says what now? Tell your handler I said hi.

Show me a nation that doesn't have exploitation and/or genocide in their past. There isn't one. All nations exploit. Governments are corrupt. I'm not arguing the US is good, I'm arguing all nations are bad. You are just willfully ignorant. Whatever government you support (Russia presumably, by your instance?) it has exploited people at some point in time at least. It almost certainly is even now, or someone else would be in power.

[–] sooper_dooper_roofer@hexbear.net 9 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (3 children)

I agree this is happening, but is it because of race or because it's an easy excuse. You can't tell the difference.

things have multiple reasons.

Like when a forest fire happens, it doesn't happen ONLY because the weather was dry and ONLY because the weather was hot. It was a combination of both of them.

Likewise, when anglo-crackers pull this shit, it's not ONLY because they're racist, or ONLY because they want to personally control it. It's because they're racist AND want control, mostly so they can use it to propagandize people into being more racist.

Generally, when a certain event happens, it has multiple causes! Single cause phenomena are very rare in organic systems!

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 0 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Sure, it has multiple causes. Anyone intillegent is just using race as an excuse. China has an ecosystem almost exclusive to China. Is it because they're racist or because they want control, or both?

[–] spacecadet@hexbear.net 6 points 7 months ago (1 children)

You might be surprised how many "intelligent" people can also be sincerely racist.

Also, I believe at least one reason people are upset with you here in this thread is because of how hard you are trying to "prove" the innocence of someone being racist, or "prove" the unreality of a system or institution being "truly/authentically" racist, when ultimately the end result is the same: pure racist outcomes. Even if somehow you could prove with full receipts that racism, as you claim, is used as a inauthentic tool for oppression, the energy you are taking up to hound this point is painfully disproportionate and misplaced, if even technically correct at all.

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 1 points 7 months ago

I can't "prove" anything. However, a whole bunch of people coming into here to tell me how I'm wrong and it has to be racism from a certain two instances is a little hypocritical. They weren't in this thread much until this, and they all flood in to tell me that I'm wrong, without any reason except "it just is racist."

...when ultimately the end result is the same: pure racist outcomes.

No, the end result is not the same. People recognizing that all of these institutions are doing the same thing allows us to solve issues. However, some of the people here think that the institutions they like, for whatever reason, aren't doing this. They come here to defend China or attack the US, but China has a firewall and generally has their own exclusive ecosystem. What's different with the US forcing one app to be western owned? Is China doing it because of racism? No. That's pretty naive. Thinking this can only lead to outrage at some people and can't solve the actual issues because the wrong issues are being addressed.

Even if somehow you could prove with full receipts that racism, as you claim, is used as a inauthentic tool for oppression, the energy you are taking up to hound this point is painfully disproportionate and misplaced, if even technically correct at all.

Dude, I was here on my home instance and dozens of people show up to tell me I'm wrong from two other instances. I'm putting in too much energy? Why is it never you guys putting in too much energy, or you guys being the "debate bros". You came at me.

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