It takes courage and convictions to do this kind of protest. There's no need to reduce it to just a suicide. It was a courageous and highly honorable act. I've got nothing but respect.

[+] philo@lemmy.zip -23 points 9 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (4 children)

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[–] LinkOpensChest_wav@midwest.social 26 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Bullshit. You are insulting everyone who's had a legitimate reason to commit suicide and their loved ones by proxy. Get this puritanical nonsense out of here. I've known multiple people who've committed suicide, and while it hurts to lose them, they've all had valid reasons, and it's really tasteless for me to dismiss that or guilt trip people who want to check out.

And in this case, it's objectively one of the most selfless acts imaginable.

[+] philo@lemmy.zip -16 points 9 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

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[–] LinkOpensChest_wav@midwest.social 18 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It was a protest against our nation's complicity in genocide. This was objectively one of the most selfless acts and meaningful sacrifices imaginable. I have nothing but the utmost respect.

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[–] MrVilliam@lemmy.world 18 points 9 months ago

He was serving a military which was helping Israel to commit this genocide. Even removed from that, Americans are working and paying taxes which are being sent to fund Israel's campaign to achieve genocide. It doesn't matter whether he was pulling triggers himself, he knew that he was indirectly supporting the cause that he was so staunchly opposed to. I have too much to lose by standing (or dying) with him, so I don't. I'm too cowardly to do what he did. I fucking despise that we are supporting Israel, but I can't throw it all away in protest like he did. I'm not strong enough, and my family isn't strong enough without me. Or maybe they are and I'm too selfish to self terminate for this cause.

Because if what he did, we are talking about it. We are all wondering how many more airmen this will cost. Just because we aren't putting our people on the ground to catch those bullets in person doesn't mean there isn't a cost. If we didn't support that genocide, Aaron Bushnell would be home with his family tonight. You can blame him all you want, but I don't think he was looking for a reason to abandon his family, I think he was disgusted by what he swore an oath to. We're supposed to defend the weak, house the exposed, feed the hungry, wash the unclean, etc. Instead, we're helping Israel to bomb schools and hospitals after telling people that those places are safe from their hellfire. History textbooks will reveal that we were standing idly by while our government funded this, downplayed this, and vetoed every attempt to pause this. There is no legitimate excuse to have allowed this to continue. I fucking hate my country for this. I'm ashamed to be an American, just as much today as I was during trump's presidency. But I still want to take a moment to remind everybody that trump would've 100% made this even worse. I'm not saying to not vote for Biden. I'm saying please, for the love of God, vote in local elections, vote in primaries, and get us somebody better than this fucking shithead neolib next time, but in the meantime help him to beat the autocratic fascist because Biden is way better even though he still fucking sucks.

[–] MsPenguinette@lemmy.world 14 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I truly beleive that this falls under sacrificing yourself to save lives

[–] HerbalGamer@sh.itjust.works 26 points 9 months ago (1 children)

That my friends, is a cowardly and selfish act.

Forcing people to stay alive against their will while they suffer in one way or another because you can't deal with missing them is cowardly and selfish.

[–] lanolinoil@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

I think we can have compassion for people who commit suicide because of suffering and are young, but not think it's a good or ideal thing. I think the protest here or euthanasia because you're old/sick is a different thing.

For everyone (for me) condoning suicide too much -- I always think about it like this:

We were dead for billions of years and we will be dead for billions of years. This little sub 100 year run we all have is just a flash in the pan and even if you're not having a good time at all and think you can't ever have a good time, surely just sticking it out for the novelty if nothing else is better in most cases of suffering than checking out too early. We'll all be back there soon enough.

[–] MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world -3 points 9 months ago

Indeed