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[–] t3rmit3@beehaw.org 6 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

See, it's funny because when I say, "just vote for whoever you believe best represents you, politically", I get told that I need to address the practical realities of politics, and that sticking to ideals is wrong for me to do (and that it is thus incumbent upon me to vote for Biden).

Often the phrase, "a vote for anyone but Biden is a vote for Trump" or similar gets deployed.

But when I say, "okay, the practical reality is that Biden is looking more and more likely to actually lose to Trump, so the DNC forcing bad candidates like him through is wrong, and making Trump more likely to win", I get told it's actually the fault of the GOP.

Yes, it is of course on Republicans for voting for bad people. But if it's wrong for me to ignore that they will, and vote for whoever best represents me (and trust in democracy and the citizenry to deliver the person most-liked by most people), then it's also wrong for the DNC to choose their preferred but likely-to-lose candidates like Hillary (and now Biden) over candidates who would have been likely to beat Trump.

Can't have it both ways.

Biden was trailing Trump nationally before the genocide in Gaza. Before the special counsel report talking about him presenting himself as old and forgetful. Before the press conference meant to repudiate that report, in which Biden then went on to basically prove it correct.

Our best hope is Republicans doing something so incredibly stupid that they shoot their entire metaphorical torso off, because at this point shooting themselves in the foot alone may not be enough.

[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Can't have it both ways.

Wow, what a fucking bad faith argument. Nobody is telling you who to vote for in the primaries.

[–] t3rmit3@beehaw.org 6 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

First off, who said anything about just primaries? I've been deadass told that if I leave the line for president blank, it's the same as voting for Trump, which is literally this argument (that the moral imperative in voting is to minimize the damage of another candidate, not to say who best represents your political beliefs).

But secondly, all the people in the party who pushed for Democrats not to run against Biden were saying exactly that, but taking it even a step further, by saying that we shouldn't even have the choice to vote for other candidates in the primaries. So no, not a bad faith interpretation at all.

And now it's too late, god help us.