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[–] GroundedGator@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I hope you're correct in your analysis.

To me the argument was leaning more into the idea that it would be a violation of Stinky's rights to prevent him from being in the ballot. I think it's nuts to say, allow a traitor to run and be elected, then they can attempt to have their disability removed by Congress.

If they rule to overturn Colorado's decision, they will have essentially nullified section 3.

I don't think the reconstructionists ever imagined that a large number of people would look at someone who pointed a cannon at the Constitution and say that person should definitely hold office. If section 3 is not self-executing I struggle to see how it could be effectively used in any scenario.

[–] billiam0202@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

To me the argument was leaning more into the idea that it would be a violation of Stinky's rights to prevent him from being in the ballot.

Which is an absolute horseshit argument. Is it a violation of the rights of a 33 year old person to say he's constitutionally ineligible to be President?

No, because that's literally one of the conditions for office the Constitution requires.

There is no due process violation because there's no process at all- if you try to overthrow the government that is a prima facie disqualifier for being President. You don't have to be convicted, the same way you don't get convicted of being under 35 or convicted of not spending 14 years in the US.

To say otherwise means there's a lot of dead Confederates the US government owes an apology to.

[–] doubletwist@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The main shortcoming of that is that it's easily definable and determinable that someone is under 35yrs old, or hasn't lived in the US for 14yrs.

But the definition of participation in insurrection is a little more loosy-goosy, and then you have to be (legally speaking) explicit in what constitutes proof that a potential candidate has participated in such an insurrection. Otherwise it will devolve into anyone accusing the candidates they don't like of having participated in attempted insurrection.

To be clear, I'm not advocating that Trump should be allowed on the ballot or to be president, because he absolutely shouldn't. I'm just pointing out that it's not as simple as saying a candidate is younger than 35.

[–] billiam0202@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago

Yes, you're absolutely correct.

But Colorado already decided that. The court found, as a matter of fact and using previous judicial case law, that Trump does meet all of the requirements necessary for disqualification under the 14th. It's not just a single person choosing to keep Trump off the ballot.

Besides that, we literally have

  • video of Trump telling his mob that they have to fight like hell.
  • video of Trump telling them they're gonna lose their country.
  • video of Trump telling them to go to the Capitol.
  • sworn testimony that he tried to go too while the riot was already happening and was only stopped because the Secret Service refused to take him.
  • knowledge of what his supporters did after they heard him speak (read: what they believed he was telling them to do.)